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How do YOU "work" your Thief Pouters?


I'm interested in finding out how forum members "work" their TPs. I've read that in Miamai they use a method called "Cuchilla." Releasing a cоck and hen at a little distance from the loft. In Spain they have "La Suelta" or "El Celo" using cоcks and "El Hembreo" using hens. In some neighborhoods of Miami or Sevilla the old method might be used. That of letting the cоcks, or hens, range out from the loft to find a member of the opposite sex. Then we have the systems used with Picas--and there are a few ways of playing this game. So let's hear how you do this, if at all.

I realize some breeders simply let their TPs out to fly around the loft. That's fine, but do you WANT the TPs to "capture" or do you just want to watch them "fly" for entertainment. Bottom line, each of you must follow what your own circumstances might dictate to you. I've been examining the various systems to see what I might be able to use here in my part of the world. One thing is for sure, there are many ways to "work" your TPs; no one way is better than the next.

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Hi Shannon,
 As for me I am just letting my Cuban Pouters fly around here and letting them get a taste of the "real world' and deal with what may come their way.I've been told by several guys to let them get "hawk savvy" and then start using the good ones as thieves.
 My birds have been free lofting for quite awhile.Did lose a couple but,for me, why have them if you can't fly them.Going to cross some Brunners into them to make them a bit smaller and more agile but for the most part they are very good.
 I have a bank of cat kennels from my brother-in-laws vert clinic and am going to move my good ones into individual cages and am in the process of making a trap box like the Cuban guys use and start hunting Ferals come springtime.

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Shannon I am currently flying some young cоcks to their dark boxes against ferals and am close to having my first capture since moving to my new location as both the young cоcks had ferals on the roof of the shed yesterday but failed to finish them off. That will be my main objective this year as I have no one else to fly against but I am also going to have a go at doing a suelta competition. I have 9 dark boxes so once they are all full I will be able to have 3 teams of 3 cоcks. I will fly each team against a hen they haven't been flown with before and the winners of the 3 sueltas will be flown off against each other. The winner of the final suelta will be the champ. I could do a few of these simply by swapping around the teams. It will be one way of selecting cоcks for future breeding as well.
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Very cool Gary !!! Can't wait to hear when you do catch a feral. Mine aren't setup for it because my loft is under some trees and I'm sure a feral is more into self preservation then mating up with one of my Pouters. I'm going to put my trap box in a more open location and see how it works. I have watched one of mine with a feral following it but it didn't commit.It was exciting to watch for sure !!!Your setup for your Pouters is AMAZING !!!!

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Those methods are interesting and peculiar to your circumstances. Those are the posts I wanted to see. Many of us around the world are NOT situated where we can "play" the TP games played in other parts of the world. Our isolation sees to that. But I've been having good discussions with Tom Donald of Canada, and we are in agreement that the typical TP approaches won't work for either of us.

For example, one way to "work" with TPs is to have two fanciers who live close to each other, mate one hen to cоcks at their respective boxes. Then they take the trio down the road a few miles and release them. Of course, the goal is for ONE of the cоcks to woo the hen and bring her home to his box.
Tom said the system wouldn't work for him as he doesn't have another fancier to work with.

This old racing man was hit with an epiphany of sorts. OK, this dumb ass finally saw an alternative to try. Hmmmm, this Summer and Fall I'll train my young TPs (Radars probably) down the road, about two miles, to a bridge that crosses the Rio Grande river. There are several ferals living under that bridge. I'll see if they can pick up some feral hens and bring them home. Not as exciting as some of the OTHER methods in use, but it MIGHT work here for me. I'd bet that once the cоcks learn exactly where the hens are, they might make a beeline from the home boxes to that bridge after a few "training tosses" near the bridge.

My thanks to Tom for his patience as I sought to understand how the Cuchilla is played in Miami, then listening to my crazy ideas. Just so this method isn't confused with the real Cuchilla, I told Tom I'd call this alternate approach El Poco Loco.

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Mark -- yes, let them get trained by your resident hawks. LOL. Mine face Cooper's hawks and a few Praire falcons. An immature Peregrine tried to take a roller from my kit but only ended up frustrated after three attemps.

Brunners sound like an interesting cross but I am going to hazard heresy and suggest a feral pigeon instead. That will bring down the size and add to the conservation skills. Might get you thrown out of the country too (just kidding), but . . .

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Good go Gary! This is the purpose for my question. You have thrown us a bone of an idea--a way to compete without having another competitor in sight. Great idea. Sounds like fun. Thanks much.

I am finalizing my plans for my dark boxes and you have helped me settle on 9 instead of 12. A quick trip to your web site was helpful. I don't know whether to build them to fit into one of my former kit boxes or BUY them already built (with wire bottoms, etc.) and simply stack them in place. Bottom line will be my willingness to do the work. Once retired, well, I'm getting enough work from the wife.



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Thanks both Shannon and Mark for your positive comment about my set up. It is totally different from my original set up I had before I move to Dimboola from Horsham. That set up was similar to a Scottish Doo Kit with a barrel hood. When I moved I set about combining the best of what I had already seen on websites and forums around the world. I was nearly going to set it up similar to a Dutch Til but I chose the Spanish style trap following a conversation with Graeme Boyd. Graeme suggested that it would be a true test of a pouters ability to get a feral to follow it into a Spanish trap rather than just have it land on a landing board and be trapped by a hood. It may mean I trap a lot less than I would with a hood but it will prove which cоcks have the ability and they will be the ones I go on with.
Shannon I have had a few discussions with Tom in the past and I really like some of his ideas.



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Tom asked me about my orientals and told me about flying pouters.Didn't take long and I had some.We swap e-mails all the time amnd he is the one that hooked me on them.
 I have a pair of Cuban pouters from Steve Bodio and a pair from Will Brown.
 I raised 5 rounds out of Steve's birds and lost one of them and an extra one from Will to the Cooper here but for the most part they are good evaders.
 Need to prove them on the hunt for ferals now.All in all they are my favorite performing birds.Great in the loft and fun to watch in the air,love em.

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 emoticon Keep breeding those Cubans Mark. If they ever let us import from the USA again I might be after some. emoticon

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