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Rare homing breeds?


 Is anyone aware of any rare homing breeds that may still have the ability to short range home?
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 Matt, not sure but wasn't the Barb somewhere in the history of the modern homer? I think if you look up the ancestry of the homer some listed are still available. My feeling is that any pigeon will home it just depends on how far. There are homers that can't find their way around the block, yet they are from a long line of great homers. Check out this site:
   http://www.tossingtipplers.com/

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Re: Rare homing breeds?


One of the earliest known homing breed was the Damascene, but they really didn't have long distances to go.
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 Joel, nice link! You would think that if a tippler could fly all day they could fly long distances too.
 
 Gary, I think I remember a damascene flyer telling me about flying them with his homers. I think Egyptian swifts are homed too.
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 I agree Matt, but speed, endurance and homing ability are all three different traits. Not always wrapped up in any one individual or breed. But through selection it can all be put into one package. Pretty much the goal of any pigeon breeder working with any breed or traits.

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The problem with rollers, tipplers, and high flyers is that even though they fly for long periods of time they usually fly high and don't lose site of their loft. Take them away from that, say about 15 or more miles away most cannot find their way back home. Don't get me wrong as some do find their way home the key word here is most.
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Matt, I think the Dragoon was also a homing type pigeon that was used in the development the modern homer.

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Unfortunately, Matt, many of the old breeds have been bred for the show pen for too long and have lost ANY homing ability they might have. And, yes, there are racing pigeons who don't even do that well because homing ability is polygenic (has many chromosomes) and is easily lost if not maintained through selection of the best racers (homers) for YOUR area. Survival of the fitest comes to mind. I've seen top racers from Boston fail miserably here in the El Paso region; top El Paso racers have not been good racers in other areas. So genes and locales and handling and health all affect homing skills.

But . . . there are some ancient breeds that are super for short distances. Take a look at the page for Egyptian Swifts.

http://pigeonnews.com/index.php?p=pages&title=Limited-Race-for-Egyptian-Swifts



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I think I read that the Cumulet Pigeon is still around. It is rare. And the current Homing breeds are desendents. Anyone know of these?


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I've never seen a Cumulet, but used to breed Antwerps in 1970-71. They, too, were ancestors of the modern day racing pigeon. I doubt you will find many of either breed in the US. The Dutch breed show type Antwerps; might be some in England.

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