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Mealy is basically a ash red bar. Racer people call it a silver and mealy to them has the dirty or smutty in the ash red bar wing almost a poor colored checker.
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 Nice pigeon Alan. Now I'm wondering wether I have qualmond in my Figuritas.
 If that bird in your picture was given to someone who knew nothing of his parentage he would just be a red check. Without knowing his background the only way to determine the is Qualmond or carries it is through breeding tests. Correct? I am fascinated with the color genetics, but can only wrap the big lobe on my shoulders around the simplest factors as of yet. Good reason to keep reading and breeding I guess.

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I forgot what mealy is. What is it?

Yes, as Gary said, it's an Ash Red Bar.

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So you can sex just by the down?

Yes, as long as the hen is a Qualmond and the cоck is a non-Qualmond. That only applies when there's no other factors present that will cause short down, such as Dilute etc.

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I have four of these last photos types of ash red from Miami, they have his aggressiveness. As soon as they were old enough to latch on to my finger they have been driving me out of the nest.

Yes, Miami was a special bird. He still is genetically but his looks are ruined by docking his crop. Better docked than dead emoticon I have enclosed a picture of Miami before he was docked. You may have this picture if you like. Miami is a Spread Ash Red Bar who carries Blue.

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I really like this color, can't wait till they mature!

I'd like to see it in person some day.

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Alan it was funny, when I was transferring these photos to load up, one of my girls walked in and said ,wow, nice Gads who's are those? I laughed & said mine! With your help & a few others , we are starting to get really nice stock. I still have one of my originals and a few color projects, huge difference!!!!



Yes, I am happy for you. Once you see someone is serious about a breed it's good to get them the best quality possible at an affordable price. That will keep them interested in the breed. If you keep them beneath you with inferior birds it will discourage them. At least that's my philosophy. But I don't like giving out top quality birds to people who will just keep them a few months and get rid of them. That's just a waste. But once you see they are serious, it's another story.

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Without knowing his background the only way to determine the is Qualmond or carries it is through breeding tests. Correct?

That is correct. A true Qualmond will produce 50% Qualmonds. But it's not always easy to tell what is a Qualmond and what is not. For instance I have a Spread Ash Red cоck mated to a a Brown Qualmond hen and out of about 8 babies I still can't tell which ones are Qualmond. The down test don't work here because he carries Dilute, which also produces short down. It's weird, non of them show any signs of Qualmond whatsoever. But I will know once they mature, because all the cocks will be Qualmond, whether they show it or not.

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I am fascinated with the color genetics, but can only wrap the big lobe on my shoulders around the simplest factors as of yet. Good reason to keep reading and breeding I guess.



Joe, my advise is to no give up and not try and understand it all in one lump. It's too vast of a topic. Thing about it is, it's so vast, no matter how much you learn, you will always be a novice. So, just keep learning a little at a time. Too many people can't grasp it all at once and just give up altogether. That creates a big gap with hobbyists. You find mainly two groups, those that know a lot and those that know nothing. There's not many in-between. Either they stuck with it and learned, or they gave in in frustration. There's no shame in not knowing everything and that shouldn't be a reason to quit learning.

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Here's some pictures of Spread Ash Reds. Dealing with Spread on Ash Red is different than dealing with Spread on Brown and on Blue. Spread on Ash Red takes on a wide spectrum of different phenotypes (looks). It depends on what patterns and other factors are present. But mainly patterns (Dark Check, Check or Bar). Spread on Brown and Blue doesn't change as much as Ash Red when a different pattern is involved. For example, a Checker will look much different than a Bar. Spread, "spreads" the tail bar color all over the bird. But in the case of Ash Red, much of the red pigment is not as effected by the Spread factor as it is with Blue and Brown, so you get a wide range of phenotypes.

Here's Miami who's a Spread Ash Red Bar pattern het for Blue and below him are two Horseman who are the same. But even here you see a different phenotype. I even get them that show no bar at all. What factors cause the differences, I don't know.

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When you get them in Checker or T-Pattern, the differences are so profound, you wouldn't believe they are the same color as the Bars. This is a Spread Ash Red Checker: Image
Another one: http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/spread_images/spread_sahred_checker1.jpg


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 I figure I will try to learn the ones I have in my birds first. I know the different factors really have a large range in the Ash Reds.

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very very nice birds
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