JEnrique
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Re: Creating the "Radar"
By the way, thanks for the explanation and also, one more thing about Gaditanos... when you cross them with something else such as a Jiennense (of course, not show Jiennenses) hey result is usually great for flying. Here we call them "half line", becuase they result is not a complete or pure line, only a half line of one breed and half line of another breed.
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Thanks, I'll try and remember that.
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9/6/2009, 3:05 pm
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JEnrique
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Re: Creating the "Radar"
I just got a private message from a friend and he is right on what he said to me regarding this subject.
I would like to state the same thing with out any intent to offend anybody, if this ocurs, I apologize ahead of time.
About giving a name to ones creations, its a abit of a problematic thing. To new comers into the "pouter world" the use of a name to refer to a type of pigeon can be confucing and they can easily take it as a type, line or worst, breed of pigeons when in reality they are just mixed pigeons. We here in Miami just as in Cuba, make crosses of all sort with what ever is available and always keep in mind that all they are, are mixes of diferent breeds. They are not a line, a type or even less a breed, and I gotta say, some people have been working with a same line of pigeons for many years and yet do not label them. So we need to be carefull and when we create something must leave our ego out of it eliminating the need to lable something we created and just call it like it is, a mixed pigeon. Otherwise we would have millions of names for types of pigeons since there are countless combinations that can be done with the different breeds available.
Just a thought.
... and to the friend that sent me the private message, your mail box is full buddy.
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I would have to agree with you to a certain extent as it is confusing for beginners but we must remember that all "PURE" varieties of pigeons were created by crossing different varieties of pigeons in the first place and many "PURE" varieties are still being improved by show men by crossing so who is to say that in 20 years time the "RADAR" won't be a recognised variety and being judged to a standard.
I personally hope not because once that happens we start breeding for show points rather than working ability but thats another debate for another day.
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If in 20 years it becomes a breed, in 20 years we will asign a name to it, but like you said, once a standard is developed, the purpose of its creation becomes lost inside a show cage.
One more thing, I don't know of any thief pigeon or Spanish Pouter that was created by one person nor by many people living miles away. The creation of a breed is not something that is planned. Its the result of many people who unkowingly at the time that it happens, add their own little grain of sand to what later in history, becomes a breed, hence the name of the Spanish Pouters breeds. They all denote a place of creation or characteristic of the breed that sets it apart from others and are not attributed to anyone person and this is something that is not acomplished by one individual like I said before. Is something that just happens.
For example, lets say I move to Hawai and a few other people that breed thief pigeons move there also and all we have available are feral pigeons and a Rafeño that was imported by somebody. We start to work with the above mentioned breeds since thats all that is available and we all individually mix certain percentage of one breed with another and then we exchange pigeons and so on and so forth. Fifty years later, a person from Australia visits Hawai and sees the pigeon that has been created over many years in an isolated Island and asks what we call it. We replay, its the Owl Lobster-tail pigeon. This person then goes back to Australia and tells all his buddies that on an Island in Hawai, there is a type of pigeon with a short beak and the tail like a Lobster and the locals call it the Owl Lobster-Tail. This type of pigeon to the outsiders becomes known as the Hawaian Owl Lobster-Tail Pouter.
However, nobody ever sat down and said I am going to create the Hawian Owl Lobster-Tail and was succesfull at it.
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JEnrique
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Re: Creating the "Radar"
He says he is not welcomed here 
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Everyone's welcome if they have the right attitude  That's strange. I can't think of anyone from Miami that wouldn't be welcome here. This is new forum and we have only had trouble with one person, and he's not from Miami.
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Have him send me an email and we can discuss why he's not welcome. I don't want any hard feelings floating around.
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I have always called my crosses "birds". At least that term is 100% accepted lol.
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I guess the main reason we call the birds "Radars" is so we know what particular cross, those of us breeding crosses, are talking about. Anthony Kellers never set out to breed a variety of pigeons called " Radars " . Radar was the name of a particular bird he bred. It was the rest of us breeders interested in doing the same cross that gave that particular cross the name " Radars". I have also seen the name " Clandestino " used for cross bred working thief pouters.???? I really don't think anyones ego was at work. They are simply names.
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