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This looks like spread ash red to me, but I think in Spain it would be called "Plata":
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNlU0hqDKg&feature=related

 This macho gorguero is plata. Is he a very old black flecked spread ash read or a very old qualmond?




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Makes it hard when you can't understand Spanish emoticon

I do know "Plata" means silver.

Here's some Plata Gaditanos
They look Spread Ash Red to me, but with no or very little Red pigment.

It's entirely possible they don't consider the genotype and only consider the phenotype when naming colors. Spread Ash Reds with more red (course pigment) in them along with other factors, as long as they are pinkish would be called Rosado. And anything Silverish would be called Plata. Of course that's just specialization on my part.

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MarcheneroMike wrote:

The rosado Jiennense Graeme showed is a perfect example of Rosado. And he is correct it is Ash Red. Sometimes you will get birds with black flecking in them. That is how I developed my Disciplinado Jiennese. We will talk about that later.
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Could Mike's black flecked Rosados be Faded Spread Ash Reds heterozygous for blue, and that's how he produced the Disciplinado? If so, the Disciplinados would be Faded Spread?

Here's 3 pages of pictures of Disciplinado Gaditanos. They look Qualmond or Faded, or something of the Almond family to me.

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If you look up rosado buchones all you get are barred pouters. Is Empedrado another name for blue checker?



Links please.. I didn't find anything.



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It's entirely possible they don't consider the genotype and only consider the phenotype when naming colors. Spread Ash Reds with more red (course pigment) in them along with other factors, as long as they are pinkish would be called Rosado. And anything Silverish would be called Plata. Of course that's just specialization on my part.



That's just it, many of the descriptive terms are likely to be localized Spanish, made popular as the breed gained ground, very unlikely that the genotype was even a vague reference point for some of them. Just as the breeds themselves are named after the town or province of origin, or some aspect of the breeds' make-up, the colours too are called after things they resemble, hence "jasmin", "pelirata", "Disciplinado", and so on.....

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Ok, the deep red is called Toby, the faded red is called Jazmin, and the one with the deep red crop and faded wings is a Rosado Pelirata. All of which can be found in the same patterns as the blue and are dominant except for the pelirata. By the way, pelirata means rat hair because of the similiraty between the colors of the hair of a rat and the feather of a pigeon of this color.

There is another color of these categories called ballo and also ballo perla , which is similar but is recesive.

This is a balla perla:

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Another balla.

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This is a toby, this piegon is a gift from my friend Antonio from Malaga, Spain. I am hoping to have him here in Miami by the end of the year.



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ok these are on google..
http://foro.buchones.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2517

http://foro.buchones.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7822


the pictures go on forever....
http://palomochaves.blogspot.com/

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