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The photo of the Rosado Jiennense from Graeme is a perfect example of Rosado. Sometimes you will get them with a lot of Black flecking in them. That is how I developed Disciplinado in my Jiennense. We can talk about that later. I don't know if I have ever seen a Red check Jiennense. They are very common in Marcheneros. I will ask my Spanish friend if Rosado Prieta is a correct term.
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If you look up rosado buchones all you get are barred pouters. Is Empedrado another name for blue checker?
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That's the confusing part Mike, because that is a faded blue pigeon, and not ash red, look at the flights. I've seen a couple of ash red cheq Jiennense, but they are few and far between, it is quite common in Gaditanos, and Marcheneros as you say. The black flecking in some of the "Rosado" Jiennenses is what makes me ask about the faded factor, because I think Faded would make for more prominent "flecks", and the ash reds I have seen, split for blue/black, don't show flecking to the same extent, though I am guessing that it depends what other modifiers are present. From what I can make out, this is a regular, unmodified, ash red bar:
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This, is an ash red bar carrying blue:
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This is a spread ash red carrying blue/black:
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So I am guessing that this is modified ash red bar, possibly Faded (StF) (With the faded gene linked to the ash red):
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and that this is the homozygous, or hemizygous version of same:
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This is Faded ash red bar with blue on the opposite chromosome:
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Whereas this is Faded ash red spread with blue on the opposite chromosome:
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I thought the faded blues were called "Plata" or "Pelirata"?

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Could it be both blue based Faded birds AND Spread Ash Reds and Ash Red Faded birds are both called Rosado, if they look pinkish? After all, Rosado means "Pink". And the more Lavender looking Spread Ash Red birds called something else?


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I don't know, I am just guessing and trying to learn.

What then are called Rosado?

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Yeah, well this is one of the difficulties of it, because there are likely to be colours genetically unrelated, but with the same, general, description.

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I'm the same, surmising quite a lot. I think the first two may also be considered "Rojo", just to throw another spanner in the works, the Rosados being the paler "Rose" tints. emoticon

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This picture is from Spain and called Rosado. To me it's Spread Ash Red. But that's not saying Rosados are all Spread Ash Red. I need to look at pictures from Spain of Blue based Faded birds, Ash Red faded birds, Ash Red Bars etc and see what they call them.

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Enrique will sort it out for us. emoticon

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